What did Billy Carson tell Alex Jones about the structures beneath Giza? In this 2025 Infowars appearance, recorded weeks after an Italian research team announced that satellite radar had detected vast chambers two kilometres under the Khafre pyramid, Carson argues that the finding matches what the Emerald Tablets describe as the Halls of Amenti, that he published a rendering of just such an underground city in his book years earlier, and that the same lost civilisation left underground cities in Turkey, pyramids in Mexico and China, and, in his reading, wreckage on Mars. The hour ranges widely, and this companion concentrates on the ancient-history claims, which are the reason the episode was made.
Readers should know two things up front. The radar claims come from a press conference, not a peer-reviewed paper, and the Egyptian authorities and most geophysicists have rejected them; our separate piece on the Khafre radar claims goes through the technical objections. And the interview is a guest slot on a political talk show, so the host's own commentary, which is extensive, is treated here as his, not Carson's.
What did the radar team claim?
In March 2025 Corrado Malanga, Filippo Biondi and Armando Mei announced that synthetic aperture radar data from the Khafre pyramid showed eight vertical shafts, each wrapped in spiral structures, descending more than 600 metres to cube-shaped chambers, with further structures reaching roughly two kilometres down. Carson summarises the method as he understands it: Biondi's technique uses X-band microwaves at about 10 gigahertz and a three-centimetre wavelength, and rather than penetrating rock it reads minute surface vibrations that resonate from voids below, which a computer then reconstructs "like a super-advanced level of Doppler." He says the resulting complex could hold 64,000 people and would be taller than the Burj Khalifa if stood upright.
Critics, including Egyptologist Zahi Hawass, whom Carson accuses of dismissing the data before looking at it, say radar cannot image that far below the surface and that the "shafts" are processing artefacts. Carson's reply is that this is not standard ground-penetrating radar, and that the depth is read from resonance, not penetration. That is an accurate description of what the team claims; whether the claim holds is what independent reviewers dispute, and none had endorsed it at the time of the interview. The host adds that classified military systems have long been able to see "two miles under a mountain," which is his assertion and not part of the published claim.
What are the Halls of Amenti?
This is the heart of Carson's case. In the Emerald Tablets, Thoth, whom the Egyptians said ruled Kemet for 16,000 years, states that he built the Great Pyramid and that beneath it lie the Halls of Amenti, where he kept rejuvenation chambers and spare bodies, resting one for a hundred years at a time while he "walked among men unlike a man." Carson says there were many such halls, that the complex was "deep, deep beneath the pyramids of Giza," and that page 34 of his Compendium of the Emerald Tablets, published five and a half years earlier, carries a rendering of an underground city "almost identical" to what the Italian team drew.
He adds that the team's estimated age for the structures, 38,000 years, matches the 36,000 to 38,000 years he assigns the tablets, and that the Sphinx's water erosion, which some geologists date to about 13,000 years, should be pushed back two more precessional cycles to the same window, because the Younger Dryas was no time to build. The English tablets are Maurice Doreal's 1939 text, and the 38,000-year figure comes from the same unreviewed press material, so this is a case of two contested sources agreeing with each other. Our guide to the Giza plateau sets out what excavation has actually found beneath it, including the Osiris Shaft Carson describes descending.
Was the Great Pyramid a machine?
The host opens with a clip of Carson from an earlier appearance, and it is the clearest statement of his pyramid-as-technology view. Water from the Nile, he says, once ran beneath the pyramid through tubes that still exist; moving water under magnetised granite produced charge; resonating rods once stood in the slots of the Grand Gallery; the King's Chamber acted as a "fusion chamber"; and the apex broadcast wireless energy that obelisks and the "djed" devices in the hieroglyphs received, the principle Tesla later used at Wardenclyffe. He also proposes that the Queen's Chamber hosted electrolysis to make hydrogen and that the shafts beamed data-encoded hydrogen toward Orion and the Pleiades as a communications device, and that the plateau, seen from above, maps the inner solar system "down to the millimetre."
Carson credits engineer Christopher Dunn with the same power-plant hypothesis and says he only learned of it when Dunn joined his podcast. Dunn's "The Giza Power Plant" (1998) does propose a hydrogen-producing machine, though his mechanism differs from Carson's. Mainstream Egyptology holds that the pyramid was a royal tomb and that the "djed" is a symbol of stability. We weigh the arguments in has the function of the Great Pyramid come to light. Carson's supporting evidence for Egyptian electricity, electroplated gold in the Cairo Museum and the Dendera reliefs he has visited, is read by archaeologists as mercury gilding and as a lotus-and-serpent religious scene.
Where else does Carson see the same builders?
Four places. Derinkuyu in Cappadocia, which he visited in September 2024: an underground city for up to 30,000 people with ventilation shafts running to its lowest levels and tunnels to other cities, which he says later Mesopotamian refugees used but did not build. Our Derinkuyu explainer covers the Phrygian and Byzantine dating. Teotihuacan, where he says the Pyramid of the Sun has the base of the Great Pyramid and half its height, is aligned to Orion, sits over an aquifer, and conceals liquid mercury and mica-lined tunnels, all of which he takes as the signature of the same architect, Thoth, and he predicts a complex beneath it; see Teotihuacan explained for what the mercury and mica finds actually were. The pyramids of Xi'an in China and the temples of India, which the host puts on screen. And the world's great caverns, the Naica crystal mine in Mexico and a sinkhole in China with its own forest, which Carson offers as proof that "we're just like little ticks on the surface."
From these he restates his Atlantis thesis: not a single ring city but a global civilisation with many capitals, with remnants off Cuba, in the Bermuda Triangle, at Yonaguni in Japan and in the Indian Ocean. That argument is developed in Atlantis explained.
What about consciousness transfer and the Avatar Project?
Carson connects Thoth's body-swapping to two modern programmes. DARPA's Avatar project, which in 2012 sought proposals for soldiers to remotely operate bipedal robots, he describes as transferring a soldier's consciousness into a field machine. The 2045 Initiative, founded by the Russian entrepreneur Dmitry Itskov, aims at transferring a human personality to an artificial carrier by 2045; Carson attributes it to Ray Kurzweil and says a monkey's mind was moved into a computer by 2010, which is not something the initiative or anyone else has demonstrated. He also reads Egyptian mummification as DNA preservation for a future return, like "deep-space hibernation boxes," and the host adds the historical fact that ground mummies were sold in Europe as medicine and pigment.
Carson then turns to the Epic of Gilgamesh, with Noah as Ziusudra, the android companion Enkidu and the quest for immortality, and the two men agree that Ridley Scott's "Prometheus" retells it. The Ark tablet in the British Museum does describe a round reed vessel, which is the detail Carson builds on.
Why does Carson say humans are powerful?
In the closing segment he returns to a text he cites often, the myth of Adapa, in which, he says, Adapa was made "higher than all of the Anunnaki," with the knowledge of the universe encoded in the body. His argument is that humanity has survived plagues, inquisitions and conquests and is therefore "the strongest people that have ever existed," that the elites rule through divide-and-conquer tactics that go back to the tablets, and that abundance is "our birthright." He describes a shift from victimhood to what he calls post-traumatic growth, becoming "the observer of our thoughts" and being "born again many times in one lifetime." He also distinguishes the original mystery schools, which taught light, from the "dark brothers" the Emerald Tablets warn would spin secret societies out of that knowledge.
The host's framing of these ideas in terms of current politics, and the brief exchange about present-day officials near the end, are not summarised here; they belong to the programme, not to Carson's research.
Key takeaways
- Carson reads the 2025 Khafre radar claims as confirmation of the Emerald Tablets' Halls of Amenti and of a rendering in his own book; the claims remain unreviewed and widely disputed.
- His Great Pyramid model is a water-driven power and communications machine, close to Christopher Dunn's, against the mainstream tomb reading.
- He links Giza to Derinkuyu, Teotihuacan, Xi'an and sunken sites as the footprint of one global Atlantean civilisation.
- Thoth's body-swapping is set beside DARPA's Avatar project and the 2045 Initiative, with some details, notably the Kurzweil and monkey claims, not matching the public record.
Watch, read, listen
Watch the episode above or on the 4biddenknowledge Podcast page. Billy walks the tunnels himself in the Egyptian Mystery School series on 4BK TV. Explore the Ancient Egypt topic hub and the Emerald Tablets hub.
Frequently asked questions
What did the Khafre pyramid radar scan find?
An Italian team announced in March 2025 that satellite radar revealed shafts and chambers hundreds of metres beneath the Khafre pyramid. The claim was made at a press conference, has not been peer-reviewed, and has been rejected by Egypt's antiquities authorities and by most geophysicists, who say radar cannot image at that depth.
What are the Halls of Amenti?
In the Emerald Tablets of Thoth, chambers beneath the Great Pyramid where Thoth kept rejuvenation chambers and spare bodies and where initiates were taken. Carson reads them literally and says the radar images match them.
Did the Egyptians have electricity?
Carson says yes, citing electroplated gold, the Dendera reliefs and coil-like artefacts in the Cairo Museum. Archaeologists explain the gilding by mercury amalgam and the Dendera scene as religious imagery. No wiring, generator or battery has been excavated in Egypt.
What is the Avatar Project?
A 2012 DARPA programme that sought technology for a soldier to control a semi-autonomous bipedal robot remotely. It involved tele-operation, not transfer of consciousness; Carson uses it as a modern echo of Thoth's claims.
What is the 2045 Initiative?
A project founded by Dmitry Itskov in 2011 with the stated goal of transferring human personality to a non-biological carrier by 2045. No stage of it, including the animal experiment Carson describes, has been demonstrated.
Sources mentioned
The Khafre Project announcement by Corrado Malanga, Filippo Biondi and Armando Mei (March 2025); Maurice Doreal, "The Emerald Tablets of Thoth the Atlantean"; Billy Carson, "Compendium of the Emerald Tablets"; Christopher Dunn, "The Giza Power Plant"; the Dendera temple reliefs and the Osiris Shaft at Giza; Derinkuyu; Teotihuacan's mercury and mica finds; the Epic of Gilgamesh and the Ark tablet (British Museum); the myth of Adapa; DARPA's Avatar programme (2012); the 2045 Initiative; and Ridley Scott's "Prometheus."
